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A Discussion About Universal Preschool

Dear TNLI MetLife Fellows:

We are delighted to announce that our February TNLI national listserv conversation will be moderated by Fellow Denise Snyder from one of our newest affiliates—the State of Delaware!

As usual, we are sending you the topic and reading information (including a digital link to the article) so that you can prepare in advance for this discussion beginning February 1st and running through the duration of the month. Please find this information below:

FEBRUARY— Delaware.

Moderator: MetLife Fellow Denise Snyder

“The Universal vs. Targeted Debate: Should the United States Have Preschool for All?” By W. Steven Barnett, Kirsty Brown, and Rima Shore, NIEER Policy Brief (Issue 6, April 2004). This article is available online at the following link: http://nieer.org/resources/policybriefs/6.pdf

Many thanks to Denise and Delaware for volunteering to moderate our February discussion. We look forward to an exciting conversation!

Ellen and Peter
National HQ
January 20, 2005
Happy February! Hope everyone is staying warm and dry. Here in Southern Delaware we are digging out from back to back snowstorms and finally getting back to a normal school routine. The topic for discussion this month is Universal Preschool. I have given the article to the preschool and kindergarten teachers at my school and we have already had some interesting discussions. I am looking forward to moderating the discussions of the TNLI fellows as well. Here are some questions to consider as you read this month's article...

1. Throughout the article the term truly high quality preschool programs is used. How would a truly high quality preschool program be determined?
2. Would colleges be brought on board to train truly qualified preschool teachers and paraprofessionals?
3. Would the public, families and parents be considered part of the preschool curriculum and be expected to be involved and be an active participant in the preschool experience?
4. If Universal Preschool is voluntary and a parent opts not to participate and their child is weak in kindergarten will there be a plan for intervention?
5. What are the major issues that would deter a district from opting for Universal Preschool?

Once again, the article can be found at: http://nieer.org/resources/policybriefs/6.pdf

Denise Snyder
State of Delaware
February 1, 2005

Gung Hay Fot Choy!

Hey Denise and All!
Hope you are staying warm in Delaware! It's been nice and warm in California of late, but I am still so glad I got central air/heating last summer! hee hee...

Anyway, every time I try to access the article, my new, school laptop crashes! I did get a chance to skim over it at school and since early childhood education is near and dear to my heart, I would like to try to tackle some of your questions.


1. Throughout the article the term truly high quality preschool programs is used. How would a truly high quality preschool program be determined?

For me, I would look towards the NAEYC for guidelines in defining a high quality preschool program. What our government may define as “high quality early education,” may not be how some of us in the field would define it. What I am afraid of is that people not in education, (see commercials in CA with businessman Eli Broad and others) will begin to make demands on what should be "taught" in preschool. It was (is?) beginning to happen here in Los Angeles.

Preschool teachers were beginning to be trained in how to support the mandated reading program that kindergarten teachers were using. The rush to get students into the academic framework of the K-5 program was becoming the focus of the preschool program instead of focusing on developing the whole child. Yes, we want young children to succeed in school, but does that mean to "pre-teach" kindergarten skills? Preschool should be a time for students to develop their social skills and learn how to interact with others. It should be a time to wonder/question and make discoveries about the world around them. They should be exposed to great read alouds, sing songs, dance, play, and develop a love of learning. Okay, can you tell that I am a little bitter about what may happen to the 3-4 year olds I used to love teaching and learning with in college? Don't get me started on what is happening to kindergarten!


2. Would colleges be brought on board to train truly qualified preschool teachers and paraprofessionals?

I definitely think that higher education should be contacted to help develop high quality preschool programs and train teachers and paraprofessionals. I also think that experienced, accomplished preschool teachers should also take part in the conversation. Once again, we tend to forget to talk to the experts and we need to have teacher voice in the development of any program that directly affects them.

In an ideal world, the families/parents of preschool student would be expected to be involved and actively participate in the preschool experience, but in reality would this be too much to ask for? What would it look like? Would parents be expected to volunteer regularly in the classroom? Would students be excluded from universal preschool if their parents were unable to participate in the program? I would love for all parents (K-12) to be involved. What type of participation can/should be expected from parents? Maybe "recommended/mandatory" training would be more doable?


4. If Universal Preschool is voluntary and a parent opts not to participate and their child is weak in kindergarten, will there be a plan for intervention?

Isn't this the same question in Kindergarten? In California, kindergarten is not mandatory, so when students enter my first grade classroom without any previous schooling, they can be behind, yet our intervention program starts in second grade.

I am not sure if I have added anything new to this discussion, except for more questions. I do believe in preschool for all. I just want to make sure that we don't lose sight of what is best of children.

Happy Wednesday,

Jane Fung
Los Angeles
February 9, 2005

I agree with Jane that, if universal preschool comes to pass, it should be educators and people knowledgeable in child development who provide the framework for what “high quality” is and would look like in practice. In one of my favorite books, Transformational Curriculum, the authors state that you can teach monkeys to ride tricycles, but why would and should you? That’s how I feel about skill/drill instructional approaches in preschool and kindergarten. Young children are eager to please and some would probably be able to spout back just about anything poured into their heads. But!!!! These early schooling years should be full of joy and wonder and investigating and discovering, not sitting on a rug for hours and hours saying /duh/, /duh/ and being trained/ indoctrinated into the wonderful world of standardized testing. I recommend taking a look at the Developmentally Appropriate guidelines published by NAEYC. That would be a good place to begin the discussion of what a preschool program should look like. Happy Lunar New Year to those who are celebrating today.

Gail Ritchie
Former preschool and kindergarten teacher, currently teaching first grade
Fairfax County, VA
February 9, 2005

Hi guys

For me the debate about targeted vs. universal preschool is ultimately about equity. It would be lovely if states could offer truly universal preschool for all 4-year-olds, but the reality is that they don’t. Many states don’t even yet offer universal all day kindergarten. (In NY, kindergarten isn’t even mandated.)

When there is a limited amount of funding and space for state sponsored preschool programs, I believe that they must be targeted. My children got the benefits of a quality preschool program because I can afford to pay for an accredited (by NAEYC) program. Shouldn’t families who can’t afford it have the same access? Shouldn’t poor children get the same advantages that my children have? I think it’s unconscionable that middle class parents don’t put aside their feelings of entitlement and see that by targeting our poorest and most needy children, we help all children.

I also want to echo Jane and Gail in terms of how scary it is that people who don’t know anything about early education are determining what "quality" means and making wacky decisions about what we should be doing. Developmental appropriateness is being cast aside for the perceived benefits of pushing curricula down for the sake of test scores. In kindergarten in NYC, most classrooms no longer have blocks or dramatic play or sand tables. Movement means moving from instruction at the tables to instruction on the rug and back again. Nationally, the powers that be want to turn Head Start into a reading program and institute standardized testing. Head Start IS a reading program, just the way it is!!!

The last thing (I promise) that angers me about how the conversation about preschool is framed is the notion of school readiness. When I taught pre-k (in a targeted program) all of my kids came in ready to learn. It was my job to be ready to accept them at whatever level they came in and teach them from there. We are dismally failing at making schools ready to teach all young children.

Judi Fenton
New York City
February 11, 2005

Greetings All!

Thank you all for the ongoing discussion surrounding Universal Preschool. The majority of our discussion has been concerning the types and appropriateness of activities for a young child. Who is best qualified to make the decisions about what these programs should look like? This question has surfaced again and again among those of us here in Delaware and I have also heard it in other discussions among TNLI fellows, as well. Here is something to think about as we continue this discussion...

How can we, as TNLI fellows, as we work through our own agencies and affiliates shape the construction of these programs and ensure that the programs that are implemented are appropriate and remain so for all those concerned? What effect can we have to make these universal programs truly universal? I look forward to hearing your thoughts on these issues.

Denise Snyder
State of Delaware
February 12. 2005

Political scientists, especially those who study public policy, have given some thought to the question of whether one should fashion social welfare programs as universal or targeted entitlements. Before Bush's recent crusade against Social Security, the general consensus was that a program fashioned as a universal entitlement had a much broader base of political support, and was thus less vulnerable to attack from the Republican Social Darwinists, than targeted programs. Thus, the difference between how AFDC [Aid to Families with Dependent Children, commonly known as 'Welfare'] and Social Security are perceived, or the difference between how Medicaid and Medicare are perceived. One can't imagine, for example, an attack on a Social Security recipient of the same sort that Ronald Reagan launched against "welfare queens." Even now, as Bush begins his attack on Social Security, note that he is making an argument that the system won't be viable forty years from now -- not that
Social Security recipients aren't deserving. This is important because one way to make Social Security economically viable for all time would be to "means test" it, so only those folks who really needed it would receive it. But that might also be its undoing because it would lose the broad base of support.

So oddly enough, a universal day care program may be what is politically required to ensure that poor and working class folks get it.

Leo Casey
New York City
February 13, 2005

A universal daycare program may be needed, but at the same time that is giving parents another reason to relinquish their rights as parents over to the school district. The more schools give to families, the more they take and the less they do. (I come from a very low socio-economic population with very poor involvement.) I agree that the kids need it, but parents need to be educated as to why this is available and that it is a privilege.

Christina James
State of Delaware
February 14, 2005

Middle and upper class parents don't view high quality preschool as a "privilege." I know that as a middle class parent, I view it as a necessity so that my children will have a loving environment to be in while I work. I want for them to gain the academic and social advantages that being with great teachers and their peers offer.

Understanding deeply that children of lower socio-economic status need these advantages as much, if not more, than my own children do, I don't think that parents of lower socio-economic status should view quality preschool as a "privilege," either. Whether we can pay for it or not, it is really a necessity in this world. Actually, this is even more of a necessity for those who must work to survive, and I have seen my pre-K program enable many poor parents to do so.

Educating those parents (of all socio-economic strata) who don't understand how valuable a quality preschool education can be for their children (and what quality looks like) is definitely important. We should also be educating middle and upper class parents about how a little bit of compassion for those less fortunate than we could serve to make our world a much better place.

Judi Fenton
New York City
February 14, 2005

O.k., now I have to respond. You've sent two emails with which I agree. A lot of your voice is both informed and to the point. I appreciate it.

Thanks,

Anne McCarthy
San Francisco
February 25, 2005

As Feb. draws to a close, I would like to say I agree we should have pre-school for all, however, the program should be determined by knowledgeable educators. A "high quality" program has to be age appropriate with opportunities for children to explore on their own and learn through interaction with one another. Children need experiences to base their understanding of the world around them. These experiences will build their higher order level of thinking skills as they problem solve through their relationships. At 4 years old they don't need a program to prepare them for the standardized tests they will be expected to take when they're 9 years old.

I agree that equity is an issue, but it is an on-going issue for all of public education in the whole country. Leveling the playing field for a free and equitable education for all children has been argued and fought for in the courts for a number of years with baby steps of success because of the interpretations of the laws within each level of the judicial system. For every step forward, we take three steps back. It's disheartening, but we should not be discouraged as in the case of New York City and the Campaign for Fiscal Equity lawsuit.

I disagree with the insinuation that middle class parents are an unconscionable group and that they should pay for a pre-k program. Being labeled "middle class" doesn't mean we are all financially equal in status. In reality, usually both parents are working full time and after taxes, bills, child care, and saving a little for that yearly quality family vacation for four, there's very little left. The middle class is hardest hit, especially in New York, and fast disappearing. It is not their lack of compassion that's felt, but their frustration at trying to survive and stay afloat.

Parents do need to be educated on what quality education should look like. Then we can team up and work with organizations and politicians to bring about the improvement of educational programs. Together we would be generating a broader base of support to ensure that implemented programs are appropriate, high quality, and universal.

Shirley Chinn
New York City
February 25, 2005
What if we try to educate the parents of disadvantaged children about what it is they can do at home to prepare their children for kindergarten? Their children are at home possibly because a high quality preschool is either too expensive or they didn't make the cut of a federally funded program. Most parents (of any socioeconomic level) don't know what qualities or skills kindergarten teachers look for in each September. Parents care about their children and may be grateful to receive such information.

Sherlynn Aurelio
State of Delaware
February 25, 2005

Shirley,
Thanks for the input. I agree with you totally. There has been and will continue to be much discussion about this issue in the coming months. Pre-school and Kindergarten education is the foundation for the education of each student. As teachers and parents we are in a position to make an impact on the system and that is what we have an obligation to do. Voices of those who understand that sitting at a table and chairs is not age appropriate for a 4 or even a 5 year old, but interacting with peers and playing in appropriate ways are what is necessary to insure success later on tests that are required. We all must crawl before we can walk. Trying to walk before we are ready just doesn't work. Thanks again.

Denise Snyder
Sate of Delaware
February 26, 2005

Great idea about instructing parents, but how would you do that?

Maria Lazarini
New York City
February 26, 2005

How about workshops for parents available through the Parent Association in each school?

Carmen Vargas
New York City
February 27, 2005

That is what another fellow and my action research addresses. Hopefully you'll hear from us later! :-)

Sponsoring parent workshops is a great idea. I've sent home flyers for parent workshops in the past, but the same involved parents came. What might work is a personal invitation to the parents you really want to reach and include a spaghetti dinner. I think I'll try this approach next time.

Sherlynn Aurelio
State of Delaware
February 27, 2005

Another suggestion re: parent workshops or involving parents at school: offer the presentations/workshops, etc. immediately after school. At least for the families I work with this is the best time for them to participate. With my families (low income and immigrants), It is primarily moms who are involved in the educational arena. They don't drive, they have young children at home and they walk everywhere. A nighttime meeting, especially in the fall and the winter, is not going to get many people: it is too cold, too dark and in many cases, too dangerous to walk to school and home at night. Our school has after school child care, so the moms can leave their children there and participate in the meeting. Having the meetings only in the evenings is fine for working parents, or for those who drive, but since that doesn't describe my moms, the after school times are best (and they are already at school to pick up their kids). I actually offer the sessions twice, both after school and early evening; I always have many more participants in the afternoon.

Margie Rogasner
Chicago
February 27, 2005

Thank you for your suggestion, that's a great idea and something to consider especially in our urban neighborhood schools.

Sherlynn Aurelio
State of Delaware
February 27, 2005

Hi again,
Have you heard about all these parents paying tutors to teach their 3 and 4 year olds to read and write before they go to Pre-K? What happened to Pre-K being the place were children learn to play (yes, play) together, learn how to share and socialize through hands on activities? Are we going crazy or is it just me?
Maria Lazarini
New York City
February 27, 2005
It's not just you. Some parents are obsessed with status and schools. Their kids
must get into the best preschool, the best kindergarten, etc. so they will be able
to get into Harvard or Stanford. It is rather like the Japanese cram schools, and
leads to burn out on the part of the kids.

Helen Gieske
State of Delaware
February 27, 2005

Maria, I am tutoring 4 and 5 year olds now! Parents are paying me, and you know, the children are doing it and loving it! FYI, my reading license from the state says- Birth to 6! I believe in exposing children to anything that can benefit them down the line.
Look at it like this, Children are playing these electronic games and are using computers on their own. It takes some literacy skills in order for them to master those things. Literacy is all around us and so why not equip them with some other strategies that will benefit them in school? Now, I am all about playing but, the children in my kindergarten class love to work, read and write, and they love coming to school. It is all about a challenge!

Aneesha Jacko
New York City
February 27, 2005

It seems like the parent training should come in prenatal classes and maybe preschool. The real problem is there are not many resources/ways to reach parents for the important years in-between.

Aneesha, good response and argument—and I agree with you on the video games; if they can learn PlayStation games, they can learn to read a few words...

Richard Gadsby
New York City
February 28, 2005

 

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